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		<title>Comment on House Church Meetings – The only “church model” where you see dysfunction in the New Testament! by Mark Mullins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Mullins</dc:creator>
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		<description>I think you&#039;ve written properly as a pastor. I&#039;d like to give some of my background. God has no grandchildren, but He does bless His own children. He blessed my dad by giving me faith in Jesus like my dad had. My dad was a seminary trained Ev. Free Church Pastor in the Pacific NW for about 30 yrs until his untimely death. His oldest brother (my oldest uncle) was recognized as an elder for about 30-40 yrs at a Plymouth Brethren Assembly in the midwest. My uncle apparently traveled the World in support of a Christian orphanage ministry. He thoroughly enjoyed our home fellowship when he visited us (being with Plymouth Brethren for so many years, that was not surprising, but he now fellowships at a Baptist church to accomodate his wife&#039;s needs, so he&#039;s not stuck to forms). While that baptist church is a closed-communion fellowhip, they permit him to partake, understanding his convictions about so-called &quot;church membership&quot;. I deeply respect my dad (in memory) and my elderly uncle(still living). 

I think the house church model is unquestionably the example we have in the NT, but God says nothing of what model is best. I am a &quot;member&quot; of the largest independent bible-believing &quot;institutional church&quot; within 60 miles probably. I view it as a very good church. However, I no longer regularly attend there because I think fellowshiping in homes is most appropriate. I do not have a systematic theology of home fellowship, but I probably have 8-12 reasons for abiding in that model for now. The most recent significant factor that struck me before joining a home fellowship was a missionary in our institutional church who was a church planter, visiting churches around the Pacific Northwest. At a missions conference, he told us that his supervisor challenged him that perhaps there was no biblical precedent for his work. Now, by all appearances, this &quot;challenger&quot; appeared to be struggling with the question himself as well. The speaker at our conference actually thought it was a legitimate challenge and was concerned, but after study came to feel that that was a lot of the apostle Paul&#039;s work. What shook me out of my stupor about contemporary understanding of NT times was that the issue was OBVIOUS. It wasn&#039;t this church planter who should have been challenged, it was the ignorant (I don&#039;t say stupid) brother who even suggested that this church planter&#039;s work may not have had biblical calling. I didn&#039;t see how this church planter&#039;s work could have been seen as being anything BUT virtually identical to the apostle Paul&#039;s work. I realized how completely upside down even &quot;church  leadership&quot;  is in understanding the NT church, and even godly church organizational relationships. One TREMENDOUS advantage of the house church brothers I meet with is this: There is only one Head of the church. It is Jesus Christ. There is no other leader. The Holy Spirit gives leading. That&#039;
s it.  When we gather, we look to God&#039;s Word depending on God&#039;s Spirit to guide us. We put no confidence in each other. 

I enjoyed my dad to his death, but as a PK I do not &quot;revere&quot; Reverends for anything beyond their function of shepherding according to the dictates of the Holy Spirit, which I believe must always be measured in their godliness by what scripture teaches us. To be honest, I am influenced by my dad&#039;s teaching. He consistently eschewed being called &quot;reverend&quot;. I think he felt it pompous. I understand that only God should be spoken of in those terms. 

Another amusing factor that I think of in &quot;house churching&quot; is as follows. It&#039;s not directly related to house church, it&#039;s related to ignorance of church functions. I told a layman from a baptist church I didn&#039;t believe in &quot;pastors&quot;. It was meant to be provocative; it was hyperbole. His response helped me learn something though. He said I should do a word study on the word &quot;pastor&quot;. I think he felt that would surely straighten me out. I decided to. It took about 30 seconds, and I&#039;ve learned since that &quot;pastor&quot; is just an english transliteration of the latin word for &quot;shepherd&quot;. The word &quot;pastor&quot; really doesn&#039;t belong in the English Bible at all, because it&#039;s a latin word (not greek). There&#039;s a perfectly good English word for the latin word &quot;pastor&quot;; it&#039;s &quot;shepherd&quot;. It&#039;s no accident that &quot;pastor&quot; sounds like &quot;pasture&quot;. If we want to transliterate foreign language words, most of us use greek-based English bibles now, not latin ones, so it would be rational to say &quot;Poymane&quot; instead of &quot;Pastor&quot;, but really &quot;Shepherd&quot; is best (&amp; probably a small &quot;s&quot; would be best as well, unless we are talking about the Lord Jesus). 

Anyway, while I do feel there is much to be said in favor of a more godly understanding of church functions and descriptions, I think your post here is consistent with God&#039;s Word, so I suggest it&#039;s a good post.  Thank you for your faithfulness to God&#039;s Word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;ve written properly as a pastor. I&#8217;d like to give some of my background. God has no grandchildren, but He does bless His own children. He blessed my dad by giving me faith in Jesus like my dad had. My dad was a seminary trained Ev. Free Church Pastor in the Pacific NW for about 30 yrs until his untimely death. His oldest brother (my oldest uncle) was recognized as an elder for about 30-40 yrs at a Plymouth Brethren Assembly in the midwest. My uncle apparently traveled the World in support of a Christian orphanage ministry. He thoroughly enjoyed our home fellowship when he visited us (being with Plymouth Brethren for so many years, that was not surprising, but he now fellowships at a Baptist church to accomodate his wife&#8217;s needs, so he&#8217;s not stuck to forms). While that baptist church is a closed-communion fellowhip, they permit him to partake, understanding his convictions about so-called &#8220;church membership&#8221;. I deeply respect my dad (in memory) and my elderly uncle(still living). </p>
<p>I think the house church model is unquestionably the example we have in the NT, but God says nothing of what model is best. I am a &#8220;member&#8221; of the largest independent bible-believing &#8220;institutional church&#8221; within 60 miles probably. I view it as a very good church. However, I no longer regularly attend there because I think fellowshiping in homes is most appropriate. I do not have a systematic theology of home fellowship, but I probably have 8-12 reasons for abiding in that model for now. The most recent significant factor that struck me before joining a home fellowship was a missionary in our institutional church who was a church planter, visiting churches around the Pacific Northwest. At a missions conference, he told us that his supervisor challenged him that perhaps there was no biblical precedent for his work. Now, by all appearances, this &#8220;challenger&#8221; appeared to be struggling with the question himself as well. The speaker at our conference actually thought it was a legitimate challenge and was concerned, but after study came to feel that that was a lot of the apostle Paul&#8217;s work. What shook me out of my stupor about contemporary understanding of NT times was that the issue was OBVIOUS. It wasn&#8217;t this church planter who should have been challenged, it was the ignorant (I don&#8217;t say stupid) brother who even suggested that this church planter&#8217;s work may not have had biblical calling. I didn&#8217;t see how this church planter&#8217;s work could have been seen as being anything BUT virtually identical to the apostle Paul&#8217;s work. I realized how completely upside down even &#8220;church  leadership&#8221;  is in understanding the NT church, and even godly church organizational relationships. One TREMENDOUS advantage of the house church brothers I meet with is this: There is only one Head of the church. It is Jesus Christ. There is no other leader. The Holy Spirit gives leading. That&#8217;<br />
s it.  When we gather, we look to God&#8217;s Word depending on God&#8217;s Spirit to guide us. We put no confidence in each other. </p>
<p>I enjoyed my dad to his death, but as a PK I do not &#8220;revere&#8221; Reverends for anything beyond their function of shepherding according to the dictates of the Holy Spirit, which I believe must always be measured in their godliness by what scripture teaches us. To be honest, I am influenced by my dad&#8217;s teaching. He consistently eschewed being called &#8220;reverend&#8221;. I think he felt it pompous. I understand that only God should be spoken of in those terms. </p>
<p>Another amusing factor that I think of in &#8220;house churching&#8221; is as follows. It&#8217;s not directly related to house church, it&#8217;s related to ignorance of church functions. I told a layman from a baptist church I didn&#8217;t believe in &#8220;pastors&#8221;. It was meant to be provocative; it was hyperbole. His response helped me learn something though. He said I should do a word study on the word &#8220;pastor&#8221;. I think he felt that would surely straighten me out. I decided to. It took about 30 seconds, and I&#8217;ve learned since that &#8220;pastor&#8221; is just an english transliteration of the latin word for &#8220;shepherd&#8221;. The word &#8220;pastor&#8221; really doesn&#8217;t belong in the English Bible at all, because it&#8217;s a latin word (not greek). There&#8217;s a perfectly good English word for the latin word &#8220;pastor&#8221;; it&#8217;s &#8220;shepherd&#8221;. It&#8217;s no accident that &#8220;pastor&#8221; sounds like &#8220;pasture&#8221;. If we want to transliterate foreign language words, most of us use greek-based English bibles now, not latin ones, so it would be rational to say &#8220;Poymane&#8221; instead of &#8220;Pastor&#8221;, but really &#8220;Shepherd&#8221; is best (&amp; probably a small &#8220;s&#8221; would be best as well, unless we are talking about the Lord Jesus). </p>
<p>Anyway, while I do feel there is much to be said in favor of a more godly understanding of church functions and descriptions, I think your post here is consistent with God&#8217;s Word, so I suggest it&#8217;s a good post.  Thank you for your faithfulness to God&#8217;s Word.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did Jesus Teach Socialism? by Keith</title>
		<link>http://kburchard.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/did-jesus-teach-socialism/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written.  One (of several) of the evils of socialism is that it destroys the human spirit!  Another is that it denies you to the rights of the fruits of your labor.  When you are denied that right, you are a de facto slave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written.  One (of several) of the evils of socialism is that it destroys the human spirit!  Another is that it denies you to the rights of the fruits of your labor.  When you are denied that right, you are a de facto slave.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Becoming a Man: Pt. 3 by Ron</title>
		<link>http://kburchard.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/becoming-a-man-pt-3/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convicted by this series.

 This is what manchurch is all about. Becoming a mature man, in word, thought and action. As I reflect, I am reminded of some recent immature thinking which translated into some childish words, which resulted in an unhappy wife. The last thing I want is my wife to think of me as a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convicted by this series.</p>
<p> This is what manchurch is all about. Becoming a mature man, in word, thought and action. As I reflect, I am reminded of some recent immature thinking which translated into some childish words, which resulted in an unhappy wife. The last thing I want is my wife to think of me as a child.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Becoming a Man: Pt. 3 by Joel Osika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Osika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Kenny,
     Thank you very much for the insightfullness of becoming a man.   I have heard the saying 1 Cor. 13:11 “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” but never truly understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Kenny,<br />
     Thank you very much for the insightfullness of becoming a man.   I have heard the saying 1 Cor. 13:11 “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” but never truly understood.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Relationally Driven Discipling Small Groups:  The ideal blend of functional structure and ministry by Peter and Jean Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter and Jean Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and we are rediscovering the truths of the small groups and also in evangelism - a term which we do not like! It is making friends with people and accepting them as they are, not trying to change them immediately but just being their friend. Then allowing the Spirit to show them and then at the right time to engage in dialogue when we know them well enough. There should never be pressure within us to push the gospel on people not should those we deal with feel under pressure.
When the Spirit of the Lord is there, then there is freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and we are rediscovering the truths of the small groups and also in evangelism &#8211; a term which we do not like! It is making friends with people and accepting them as they are, not trying to change them immediately but just being their friend. Then allowing the Spirit to show them and then at the right time to engage in dialogue when we know them well enough. There should never be pressure within us to push the gospel on people not should those we deal with feel under pressure.<br />
When the Spirit of the Lord is there, then there is freedom.</p>
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